The Perfect

If the perfect-plex was so perfect, why did people always kick out of it?

Wrong perfect.

The discussion on Spiritual Gifts from yesterday made me think about 1 Corinthians 13:8-13 — specifically the part about “the perfect”.  Most charismatics I know (and also the ones I don’t know) understand this passage to mean the second coming of Christ.  But not so fast…

I recall a great presentation from seminary a couple of years back by Pastor Rich Peralez.  I’ll try to give the bullet points from memory.  The text says (emphasis mine):

[8] Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. [9] For we know in part and we prophesy in part, [10] but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. [11] When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. [12] For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

Now, both sides agree that what’s partial & passing are the spiritual gifts, such as tongues.  It’s a matter of when.  If the perfect means Christ’s return, then spiritual gifts should continue until then.  But what else would it mean?

I think the answer is Scripture.  At the time Paul is writing his epistle to the Corinthians the canon was not yet completed.  There was more to come and it would be profitable for every good work (1 Timothy 3:16-17) and not something to add to (inferred from Revelation 22:18).

You may say “That seems like a stretch.”  But consider the following about the 2nd coming interpretation.

  • The word used is “telios” which means “brought to its end, finished; lacking nothing necessary to completeness; perfect”.  This describes the completed canon of the Scriptures and also Christ himself, but not so much Christ’s reappearance.  There’s more that follows his 2nd coming.
  • If “perfect” does refer to Christ, it’s the only gender neutral description of him found in the Bible. Curious.
  • So if we understand perfect to mean 2nd coming rather than a neutered Christ, the comparison doesn’t make much logical sense.  Verse 9 says we are knowing in part — with a promise of knowing completely at the perfect.  Now if you’re of the premill persuasion, as many of the early charismatics were, you might say “Yup, during Christ’s 1000 year reign He will be dropping all kinds of knowledge on us & we won’t speak in tongues.”  OK, but I still think there are problems here.
  • If this means Christ’s 2nd coming, then we’re holding a position where spiritual gifts are giving knowledge in part that is otherwise unavailable (say through the completed & sufficient canon of Scripture).  This is a problem.

You see, the whole passage reads as a comparison of something incomplete and fleeting contrasted against a fullness.  Paul uses the metaphor of a dim mirror vs. the clear vision of seeing face to face.  Some do injustice to the literary style by mixing the metaphor & taking face to face to mean looking Jesus in the eyes… but there’s no indication that’s what it means and it strains his comparison.  These gifts are finite and show knowledge and authority of God for those in and around the church.  The completed canon of Scriptures do the same — but in an entirely sufficient manner.  So if the gifts are a dim reflection of God’s perfect and completed Word to us… why do we still need them?  And if Paul is talking about the Scripture instead of Christ’s return, why would we insist that he was wrong about the gifts coming to a close (1 Cor. 13:8)?

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  • http://www.fingertoe.com/blog Josh Reighley

    If we had perfect knowlege this debate would not be nessesary.

    I don’t equate “The Perfect” to Christ’s 2nd coming either — I equate it to full and perfect knowledge (Which probably will happen at some point after that)

    I see way too much eisogesis in this analysis. If it was the completion of Cannon, I think Paul would have been more clear. Yes, in the ultimate eschatology, the gifts are just a shadow of our better and full eternal communion. They are just a foretaste — But if they where a foretaste then, why are they not a foretaste now? I just can’t put that much emphasis on one rather obscure verse — Especially when I see prophecy, knowledge and tongues used in miraculous ways today.. Quite frequently actually.

    Are there any other verses? or is this the lynchpin of the whole debate?

    Yes, the Gifts are overemphasized by some now — as they where then. But if you are dismissing them based on one obscure verse, you may be missing out on something huge. I think it is best to keep an open mind. Don’t let any Pentecostals shove them down your throat, but don’t let anyone tell you they don’t exist either, because to deny them may be locking God into a box that he doesn’t fit into.

  • David

    very intelligent. i think your right, but i dont know alot about that kinda stuff, so i geus if someone says something intelligent i’ll believe it haha.

  • http://jonspach.com Jason Anspach

    Thanks David, but don’t forget that lots of smart people are absolutely full of crap.

    See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits1 of the world, and not according to Christ. Col. 2:8

  • http://jonspach.com Jason Anspach

    Eisegiesis! Oh, the sting! ;)

    One note on frequently seeing miraculous things today – a miracle by definition is rare. So seeing them frequently suggests they’re not so rare & makes me ask again why they only show up in friendly camps… especially when they’re powered by the Holy Spirit, which is a rather irresistible force.

    The primary issue I have though, is that the both prophesy and tongues are shown to be revelatory. Paul says that prophesy is greater, because it edifies the whole church, while tongues do not… UNLESS there is an interpreter allowing for the church to be edified. So tongues, when interpreted, are a mode of prophecy. 1 Cor. 14:30 tells us that the prophesies spoken of are revelatory, something that can also be inferred from the fact that tongues completely bypass the mind and are by definition messages directly from the Holy Spirit uttered through men — that’s revelation.

    The heretical charismatics of the early church age and the new wave charismatics all said “Yup, we’ve got revelation on par with Scripture. It must be obeyed.” Now somewhere along the line someone said “Yeah, but these tongues aren’t the real deal. They’re like the light beer of tongues.” — but there is no biblical reason to think this.

    It’s a combination of the inconsistency of the argument that puts me off along with the private practice of these gifts. It’s the fact that I know & respect people like you, Josh, that keep me from saying anything conclusively on the matter though.

  • http://www.fingertoe.com/blog Josh Reighley

    Prayer is kinda miraculous isn’t it? We do that everyday. Salvation is a miracle — even though God performs that miracle way more than he is obligated to. (Probably enough that a lot of people take it for granted)

    I agree with your analysis of Tongues in Church — Unless there is an interpreter, it is only a distraction. “For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God” I think it is good to speak to God. Tongues as prayer language is a way to symbolize and submit to Romans 8:26 in a miraculous way. It is a unneeded distraction in the church — but in private, it is nothing more than a man speaking to God. I can submit to the fact that the spirit can pray for me in ways that I haven’t thought to pray for myself. My experience has shown this to be very helpful — I don’t know why — But when I was struggling with habitual sins — I submitted the the spirit and prayed in tongues, and the temptation went away rather permanently.

    As a result of that — I am inclined to tell people that if the spirit moves them to pray in tongues they ought not resist it.. I don’t think it does any good to force the issue however — It is an act of the Spirit, not an act of man — Gibberish has no value unless it is submissive to the Spirit.

    Now the question would be “Is there a case in which the corporate Church may not know how to pray for itself but the spirit might?” I think the answer may be yes. I think it is possible that one could pray in Tongues, and another could interpret — And the Spirit would reveal something about the church that it didn’t realize about itself.. (Think the first books of Revelations) I haven’t seen it — But If God chooses to do so, I don’t think we oughta cut him off. I tend to think that true prophecy is usually internal – about our own sin and a circumventing of our own lack of perspective. It is usually testable against both scripture and truth.

    I do tend to think that Scripture is the only reliable source for revelation. The right way to use prophecy is to give people to right scripture — And So often you go to church, and the Spirit does deliver you a word that you would not know that you needed. You walk out of church and into a trial, and recognize in hindsight that the preacher had coached you in advance with the scripture that you needed to have on hand to persevere through the trial. (This is another common everyday miracle)

    Anyway, I think you are right.. I am not out there far enough to be a worthy debate.. There is a lot of bathwater that does need drained, and I will give you that. I do think that Scripture is the ultimate authority — And I think prophecy outside of the framework of delivering the right dose of God’s word to the right people at the right time — ought to be done with great caution.

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